| Q. | Is it near Osnabrück? | 
          
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            | A. | Yes. | 
          
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            | Q. | How large a city is Bielefeld, I have come thru there in former days frequently. | 
          
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            | A. | Bielefeld has about 300,000 inhabitants | 
          
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            | Q. | Is that somewhere in the vicinity of Osnabrück and Dusseldorf? | 
          
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            | A. | Yes, it is.  Do you know Paderborn? | 
          
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            | Q. | No I don't.  I only traveled from Bremen to Osnabrück and Köln as a rule, and sometimes from Köln to Hannover. | 
          
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            | A. | It is about 100 Km. from Hannover. | 
          
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            | Q. | See, I am trying to form a picture in my mind of where that is. | 
          
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            | A. | Yes, of course, if you have been in Germany then you should know it. | 
          
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            | Q. | Yes, I did even pass thru Bielefeld on several occasions.  Now I remember - - (rest unintelligible, needle jumps out of grooves.) | 
          
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            | A. | No, that's closer to the Rhine. | 
          
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            | Q. | What do the manufacture in Bielefeld now-a-days.  Isn't it a Railroad Center? | 
          
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            | A. | Yes it is.  And there are the Durrkopp Werke.  And the German American - (unintelligible) | 
          
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            | Q. | I know them they have been used here. | 
          
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            | A. | We make bicycles and sewing machines. | 
          
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            | Q. | Sure, everybody knows that:  AnkerWerke.  And then there were those huge Export Houses at Bielefeld. | 
          
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            | A. | No, the majority of them are trucking companies. | 
          
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            | Q. | Yes, I remember again.  What was their name? | 
          
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            | A. | (Unintelligible)  Dryer. | 
          
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            | Q. | Sure, Dreyer - I simply do not remember anymore which way I passed the city.  I have been there once several years ago.  What else is being |